First of all, I operated a women's health division comprise of over 50 OB/GYNs, a fertility center, an abortion clinic, and a gynecological cancer practice. If you want to deflect about Trump, that is a different discussion. I was discussing the reality that aborting an unborn baby is effectively ending the life of another human.

There are times an abortion is medically necessary and there are times under state law that an abortion clinic whether they support or oppose abortion must perform one. One reason so many abortions are done at abortion centers is because over 90% of private practice OB|GYNs won't. Think about that.

You can try to argue human being not fully developed is not a human, but you would be wrong. That is simply denying science. Every reputable international medical and scientific association recognizes "humanity" begins at conception. Some religions delay "humanity" until "ensoulment", those religions believe the "soul" enters the body after 90 days, but they tend to be the exception.

You can argue that the "baby" does not register pain, but that is only true very early on. The brain begins to develop as soon as 3 weeks after conception and by the 9th week it is apparent. You seem to be repeating many medical myths used by the pro-choice movement rather than science.

Nor is abortion a male vs female issue, since women more than men want limits on elective abortions. You can look up the Harvard Harris study to confirm that statement.

https://reason.com/volokh/2022/07/11/harvard-harris-poll-on-abortion/

So, let's talk about abortion at the "Constitutional" level. Our government is founded on the concept that government has an obligation to protect human rights. The "right" to life is quite clear as a fundamental unalienable right. Meanwhile, a woman's reproductive right is a relatively new concept linked to "the right to pursue happiness".

You make a good point, that when a woman is "violated" as in rape or incest, it is clear her "rights" have been violated and so our society tends to see that as adequate support that a woman or girl who never consented to having sex should be able to decide to have an abortion. The same is true for other classic reasons, the mother's life is in danger, or the baby won't develop normally.

But the debate revolves around whether a woman who consents to sex knowing the risk of getting pregnant has the right to terminate the life of another unborn human in her womb, who also has "human rights".

This then becomes a Constitutional dilemma because you cannot respect both the baby's right to life and the woman's reproductive rights and so society has to determine through the government (which again is obligated to protect human rights), how to resolve the conflict.

Every person has different views on this resolution. Almost 30% oppose abortion of any kind other than a threat to the life of the mother. Almost 15% support abortion for any reason up to the birth of the baby. That leaves 55% of Americans (slightly more women) supporting a cut-off date, prior to which a "woman's" reproductive right takes precedence to the baby's right to life and after which the baby's right to life take precedence.

Under Roe v Wade, that point was 26 weeks, and it was tied to viability at the time (today viability is somewhere between 20-22 weeks). Trump recognizing that not everyone feels the same way has argued against a national standard (which I think has issues) in favor of each state deciding a standard for the citizens of their individual states.

This effectively means a woman can have an abortion at any time by traveling to one of several states that offer them. If women alone were left to decide this issue through voting, the cut-off would be between 10-15 weeks at which point the majority of women would feel after that point, an elective abortion should be illegal.

My issue with states all having different laws is that the 14th Amendment argues people have equal rights, which suggests that unborn babies have more rights or less rights (ditto for women), depending on which state you live. The counter argument is that everyone has the same rights in all states, but how those rights are reconciled differs, which is legal. Some states have a "death penalty" and some states "don't, being an example where murder is illegal everywhere but consequences of breaking the law differ.

So, please don't make the "this is all about trying to control women, especially poor women" argument. As mentioned, women more than men want tougher limits. Here is the general poll response...

Up to 9 months [10%]

Up to 23 weeks [18%]

Up to 15 weeks [23%]

Up to six weeks [12%]

Only in cases of rape and incest [37%]

Women preferred one of three most restrictive options 75-25%, men 69-31%.

Not surprisingly, Europe limits the abortion to the between 10-15 weeks in most countries. So, American women pushing for abortion on demand in any instance are the outliers, not only in this country, but the "western" world.

But our states are "democracies", and so regardless of the science, if the majority of citizens want to set a different limit than the rest of western nations, that is their prerogative, but it cuts both ways... more generous in some states and more restrictive in others.

Regarding babies that women don't want. If a woman has a healthy baby, there are roughly 13 couples willing to adopt the baby regardless of race. Many couples are willing to foot the entire bill for the pregnancy. When we had a woman who did not choose abortion and wanted to give the baby up for adoption on birth, with enough notice, the future parents were waiting in the "waiting room" to take the baby home (without proper notice, it takes 2-3 months to process the paperwork).

I was going to suggest you educate yourself since so many of the myths you repeated reflect you are echoing an ideology and not the medical, scientific or social realities that exist today.

Ignoring that unborn babies are human is simply an excuse to avoid confronting the hard choices associated with an abortion, but if you ever saw one performed at even 15 weeks, you might be like the 90% of OB/GYNs in the practice I managed, that simply could not bring themselves to crush an unborn baby's skull and then pull them out piece by piece and put them back together outside the womb to make sure they got all the "parts". It is a barbaric procedure, and it is not painless to the baby. So, deciding where to draw the line is something our nation should decide, not just one person.